Title : "You were really shouting at him.... Your shouting, though, was really loud.... You want to get more information from him, not... telling him what he needs to do. You kind of sounded like you were telling him what to do.... You don’t want to do that."
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"You were really shouting at him.... Your shouting, though, was really loud.... You want to get more information from him, not... telling him what he needs to do. You kind of sounded like you were telling him what to do.... You don’t want to do that."
Said Bob Woodward's wife — Elsa Walsh, also a reporter — after she heard him talking on the phone to then-President Trump.
Quoted in "The Trump Tapes: 20 interviews that show why he is an unparalleled danger" (WaPo).
Woodward's response was "Okay. But we’re in a different world now, sweetie."
You can hear Bob Woodward yelling at Trump at the link. WaPo and Woodward are making a big thing out of sharing the tapes. Shades of Nixon, perhaps, or so they hope. But Trump wasn't speaking to his insiders in secret. He was doing an interview with Bob Woodward. Yet Woodward and WaPo present this disclosure of the "tapes" as if they are stretching the limits of their professional methods in order to warn the public about... what they've been warning the public about throughout the Trump era:
In more than 50 years of reporting, I have never disclosed the raw interviews or full transcripts of my work. But after listening again to the 20 interviews I conducted with President Donald Trump during his last year as chief executive, I have decided to take the unusual step of releasing them. I was struck by how Trump pounded in my ears in a way the printed page cannot capture.
Well, you go over there and listen to these supposedly revelatory "tapes," and you tell me how Trump "pounds in your ears." I heard Trump talking like Trump, and Trump talking to Woodward in a way that demonstrated directly to Woodward that Trump knows Woodward is an adversary who lures interlocutors into giving him useful material. Trump wouldn't play Woodward's game. It doesn't hurt Trump to release the full transcript rather than to pick out the things that are most damaging.
Despite telling us that we're about to get "raw interviews" and "full transcripts," the article cues up a very brief audio clip that has Woodward asking a leading question and Trump responding with exactly one word:
Woodward: Was there a moment in all of this, last two months [in summer 2020], where you said to yourself, “Ah, this is the leadership test of a lifetime”?
Trump: No.
What's so amazing and dangerous about that? Trump can, presumably, see that a yes would require him to recount some sort of inner monologue, and it probably wasn't anything that he thought unless he actually was reviewing his entire life in the midst of that crisis AND thought of life in terms of a "test" of leadership. That's awfully specific, so "no" is a perfect answer that mostly amounts to a rejection of a question.
But Woodward puffs up the importance of his own question and lets loose a barrage of abuse against Trump:
On the printed page his “no” reads flat, a simple declaration. Now listen to the audio of that exchange. This “no” is confident, dismissive, full of self-assurance.
Yes, it's more like "Fuck you, Bob." He didn't like the question and it actually was a bad question, though I'll bet none of your other interviewees deflect your earnest efforts like that.
It leaves no doubt about the finality of his judgment. This “no” distances him from bearing responsibility.
No, it doesn't. And your characterization of his "no" reflects on you. Ironically, it distances YOU from bearing responsibility for a tendentious question.
Sound has an extraordinary emotional power, an immediacy and authenticity.
Ah, yes, and now think again about the power the sound of YOUR voice, Bob, had on your own wife.
A listener is brought into the room. It is a completely different experience from reading Trump’s words or listening to snatches of his interviews on television or the internet.
Trump’s voice magnifies his presence.
And yours. Play the whole tape. Expose everything. You've been withholding the full tapes for 50 years, you say, and you're only making this one, super-rare exception because something must be done about Trump. I don't think this new revelation hurts Trump at all, and I suspect that if it did have the power to really hurt him, you'd have released the "tapes" long ago and that the only reason we're getting them now is that you have reached a truly desperate dead end.
We’re in a different world now, sweetie.
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